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Entrevista: Nuno Loureiro

Revisão: Marc Urselli

Fotografias: People Like Us

Publicação: Chain D.L.K. (12.02.2009)

For almost 20 years now, Vicki Bennett has been working sound and image in the most charming and surrealistic of ways, through the People Like Us (PLU) project. In the end, everything she approaches in her audio-visual collages is the world as seen in a creative and humorous mirror. "Like a parrot".

Chain D.L.K.: First of all, the context. What have you been working on lately?

People Like Us: Currently I'm working on a commission for The Great North Run 2009, making a film using their archives, and I also will be working on a new live set, which will be available for performance at the end of 2009. Last year, I had my first retrospective at alt.gallery, which was a great thing to prepare, plus I have released two CDs – the first was with my colleague Ergo Phizmiz, and an online-only release entitled "Rhapsody In Glue". It was made as a result of our podcast series entitled "Codpaste", available from the Internet's number one freeform radio station, WFMU. I also made a remix of Jean Jacques Perrey.

Chain D.L.K.: One of your last projects was developed based on the archives of British electronic music pioneer Daphne Oram. Was her work an inspiration to you?

People Like Us: Yes, in a non-direct way. I wouldn't say she inspired PLU, but I admire the BBC Radiophonic Workshop in a more passive way and appreciate what they have done for electronic music and British culture.

Chain D.L.K.: This was just one of the archive projects you've worked on. What, in your opinion, is the importance of the archiving process, at all levels? Do you have an interest in art history?

People Like Us: An archive is a library, a concentrated central point that people can refer to in order to enrich and educate themselves in whatever way. Including creatively. I am not particularly knowledgeable about art history, no. Although I am an artist, I don't really relate to the art world, only to other artists. I fit in far more with the world of music.

Chain D.L.K.: When thinking of your work, which would you say are the main conceptual purposes of your approach to popular culture?

People Like Us: I reflect what is around me, like a folk musician, also like a parrot. There is no message, more a mirroring of what I see and hear. But of course the mirror is distorted by my own take on that. I am not criticizing what I cover, I am more paying homage to it, since I only use footage that amuses me in some way.

Chain D.L.K.: Being sound and image the two dimensions of your work, is one developed in function of the other? What's your method, regarding that production?

People Like Us: I find it very difficult to combine music and image – at best it is a bit like walking forward, where one leg is sound and the other is image. They both battle for 100% of the limelight. Unlike your own legs :) So what I let lead the way depends on the context of the work. But it is a constant cause for confusion and bewilderment, trying to make audio-visually combined work.

Chain D.L.K.: Taking into account the projects you've also been producing for radio, do you like to work sound in real time?
People Like Us: Yes, I have done a lot of improvisation on radio, and some in a live context on stage. My favourite live work has always been for radio, because it is just about listening and also in the comfort of your own environment. Also I like the idea of collaborating over a few hours, which you can do on radio. It can take an hour to even start to make something good. Then you can go home and edit that and keep the good stuff!

Chain D.L.K.: You've worked several times with the images of the [Rick] Prelinger archives. When did you discover him, and which aspects had an impact on you at the time?

People Like Us: I discovered Rick I think in 2000. I found the Internet Archive, saw the lovely films that he made available for free download from his collection, and contacted him directly to say "thank you". When I became friends with Rick it was like going into the archive of a friend. He is very interested in people, and full of childlike enthusiasm. He is an amazing and lovely person. It is Rick that makes the context of that archive so appealing. The films are nice too though!

Chain D.L.K.: PLU has always used a certain retro imagery in your films. Do you find present images uninteresting?

People Like Us: No – they just stopped making films around 1980. Simple as that. The context of the present that is in my work is me. I am in the present.

Chain D.L.K.: I presume it's obvious that the visual dimension is increasigly more present in contemporary societies. What's your vision on the political and commercial propaganda we're being served these days?

People Like Us: I tend not to watch a lot of it, so I'm not a good person to comment on it. I prefer to create my own world and try and live life in a folk-art kind of way. I am a commercial artist, and very much need to make a living, but I am not driven by culture. I like to work below the radar and ahead of or parallel to mass culture a lot of the time.

Chain D.L.K.: PLU's releases are available on the Internet for download. What lead you to make that decision? Are you abandoning the "physical" format with your releases?

People Like Us: The best way to reach people that may like you is through internet distribution. If the best way was still through CDs then I would do CDs. Well, I still do CDs, but as a cottage industry, not on mass. I think the Internet is a big trash can, but trash cans can be very useful for recycling.

Chain D.L.K.: Do you think that the music industry as we know it is disappearing?

People Like Us: Yes. Thankfully the music industry has never been very interested in me, so I will not miss it and they don't even know me.